whats the reason for relays with a diode on them

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I think it is to stop the relay permanently latching from the auxiliary device.
 

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i did see i video on youtube saying you could latch a relay with a diode heres the youtube link for anyone interested, just seems that only bmw use these relays with diodes in them when i took one out of my car last year its the first time i seen one with a diode on a contact.

i have a use for a latching relay with a single contact and thought this may be useful to me

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-OSvVObF_c
 

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Its apparently so that it collapses the field in the coil quickly, like instantly as opposed to the few milliseconds that it takes if you don't have one.
Practical benefit is that it reduces any tendency for the contacts to arch and lengthens the life of the relays, hence you tend to seem them on good quality cars.
 

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Its apparently so that it collapses the field in the coil quickly, like instantly as opposed to the few milliseconds that it takes if you don't have one.
Practical benefit is that it reduces any tendency for the contacts to arch and lengthens the life of the relays, hence you tend to seem them on good quality cars.

but the diode is not across the relay coil... it could be across the compressor clutch windings and thats a big inductive load and its across the radiator fan big inductive load again, i cant see any other reason for there to be diode across there.. i dont think its anything to do with the latching side of things as theres no reason to latch any of those .... ahh well....
 

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As link shows below does anyone know what the reason is for the relays with diodes on them.. i know if the diode is across the relay coil its a flyback diode but why the diode on one side of the contacts, i did see a post about the diode being used to latch the relay anyone know why theres a diode...?


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Al.
that link you have posted shows the terminals in a different layout (Type A), the diode is still on the coil.

There are two types of relay pin layout Type A as above, and the 'normal" Type B where the 30 terminal is in line with the output terminals, and the coil connections are on opposite sides
Type_A_and_type_B_relays.png



Don't forget that 85 and 86 are always the relay coil terminals. if there is a diode across the coil it can also be designated 86b
According to DIN 72552 the coil should be fed with +12V to terminal 86 and grounded via terminal 85.
In practice it makes no difference which way around they are wired, unless you are using a relay with an integrated diode, because the relay will still switch, but the diode will have no effect

30 is the source that you want to either switch on, through the normally open contact 87,
or switch off, through a normally closed contact 87a (sometimes 87b)

The diode is to stop back feed of voltage from the coil itself as it de-energises, which can be classed as a 'spike'

You can still make a relay latch in various ways without a diode, for example by connecting the coil positive 86 to a switched positive on 87.
 
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A more accurate description would be
"The diode takes the energy stored in the relay's coil when you switch the current off. Without the diode, the energy has no place to go and will cause a large and probably destructive voltage spike."
When I was studying electronics in college it was explained that the coil is an inductor and can't change its current instantly as its effectively storing a charge, the diode provides a path for the current to drain instantly on switch off, if not then a voltage spike may occur which causes arcing across the contacts
 

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just goes to show that you really need to look at the diagram on the relay to see what configuration the terminals are i didnt realise i thought all the automotive relays had a standard pinout...

my mistake too i see now that the bmw relays do have the diode across one terminal of the coil and not a relay contact as i thought....

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

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Don't forget, the diode is always on the coil, unless you particularly add one to the switch contacts as part of making a latching relay.
The coil diode will protect the switch contacts in whatever you are using to switch the relay, It is not protecting the relay contacts themselves.
For instance if the headlight main beam relay has a diode , the diode is there to protect the contacts in the steering wheel stalk, and not the contacts in the relay itself.
 

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Here to help.....HJ :thumbsup:

thanks Bud.... i got a few relays ordered for something else i going to do.. with the 433 mhz 4 channel relay board... more on that when i get it running...
 

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Sorry folks I thought I was on my car forum seems I've accidently logged on to the Open University web site. :wideyed:
 

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remote roof up, no doubt
did you get my schematic diagrams through OK. I can email them if you need

View: https://youtu.be/TuxE_jZKEXE

yeah got those... thanks for them.. they great i did have a look over the wiring diagrams, I was hoping to do that, but have other uses for the additional 433mhz relay now... and will have to order a 3rd one now for the 2.8's roof...

May even get alexa control of the roof !!!!!

check out sonoff and tasmota got a few things working here with nodemcu boards have a look...central heating control working with tsmota.. lights and remote locking etc.. interesting stuff...
 

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I use Sonoff to open my gates, open and close garage door, as well as turning on lots of stuff in the house.
Alexa will work all of them, plus I can even open and close the outside stuff from my phone at work or even abroad if I wanted to. (and I have done)
I have Tado for the heating and Alexa works that, unless my wife asks..... she for some reason thinks she needs to shout at it to do stuff (probably because that works with me!)

Try the IFTTT app too. I had my gates automatically open when I got close to home using geofencing, but I got worried about dogs getting out one day, so disabled it
 

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have you tried reflashing the sonoffs with tasmota firmware.. they do so much more..
 
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